Other parts to this series: Part 1, Part 2, Part 3.
On my last post, Ben responds to some critiques. Time for some Fisking. I’m only going to deal with what has to do with Kant as this has been my only concern.
First, Dan said this about Ben and Kant:
1. You believe, like Kant, that there are both noumena and phenomena.
Ben responded:
On point 1, I don’t subscribe to Kant’s view explicitly. There’s merit.
OK. This is the problem. I raised this in a comment on your blog. In what specific sense do you actually agree with Kant? Whenever you say something like “I generally agree with Kant,” I feel like it lets you off the hook whenever a critique of Kant comes your way. You can say, ”Oh well, of course I don’t agree with him there.” His other stuff is ok though.
The presence of dark matter, gravity, and consciousness are all difficult to argue examples of real things that we can’t sense (but can learn about by other means). Let’s not get hung up on “noumenon” and “phenomenon.”
I don’t see what you’re talking about here. Kant’s main point with the noumena and phenomena is that reality cannot be known, only the appearance of reality can be known. There is no guarantee that there is a correlation between the two. This leaves one in a sort of epistemological Switzerland, if you know what I mean. My prior arguments address this.
Unless Plantinga can refute the reality of the mind (which is actually the basis of one of his most famous arguments in favour of considering the reality of God), then I think there’s merit to the point: there are real things we can’t sense, and must investigate by other means.
OK … but what does this point have to do with Kant? Perhaps I’m misreading him, but I don’t think I am.
You seem to be saying we can know X, but not through our senses. Your thinking diverges from Kant on this when you say that you can know X. Kant believed that human knowledge never brought us into contact with the real world. By definition, the noumena is unknowable.
As God is part of the noumena, Kantian philosophy is un-Christian. This is why I’m attacking his thought.
My cautious approach to a more Christian epistemology would say that God has ordered the rational structures of our mind to correspond to the rational order found in the world. There is no need for any noumena / phenomena or Kant.